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Does Unity go against the Tao? [Nov. 9th, 2005|08:27 am]
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[immoralusername]
ok, where do politcs fit into Taoism for people?

I'm not meaning who's who in the current office, but trends in cultural power. The TTC (and Art of War if you like it) are pretty specific about the running of govts & such & how to treat others. But what about protest & revolution & going against the crowd - is harmony letting things be as they are or is it sticking up for someone (or a group) that has been treated unfairly because others have too much & don't want to share?
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From: akurei_kami
2005-11-09 05:31 pm (UTC)
Would you consider being specific? Give us an example?
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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2005-11-09 06:00 pm (UTC)
ok, I'll use the mixed University situation going back to the past. At first women were allowed to go to all male universities, then blacks started going to all-white universities...then scholorships were set up so poor people could go to school, etc, etc.

Or on a smaller example, you see a big kid picking on a little kid - nothing dangerous to you. Do you tell the bully to knock it off or do you leave it alone?
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From: akurei_kami
2005-11-10 12:31 am (UTC)
Racism, bigitry, and fear?
What is political about them?

I am not being condisending, or at least I am not tring to be, it's just that I do not understand politics.
I don't even vote, never have, never will.
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From: (Anonymous)
2005-11-10 01:12 pm (UTC)
Just wondering why you say never will vote...I tink voting is important! But I'm comfortably not voting LOL ...just never bothered to registered & didn't realize it was election time...for me, I'm very uninterested in so much of the anger & hypocrisy, I can't help but wonder if all the polls are rigged now...

>Racism, bigitry, and fear?
What is political about them?

politics just means 'the way things are run' & what people in authority can/cannot do or the basic meaning simply describes relationships btwn people (and property, finance, etc) . So you could have 'a politics' of a family . Even LJ has a politc...I started this community in response to people's messages getting deleted (or members being banned) in that other Taoist community (a long time ago)...so there was a power shift...that's political...someone who was under that moderators "authority" to post or belong to the community could go elsewhere. Who knows what was up with that guy. I didn't pay much attention. But I would say he was acting out of fear because I read he was deleteing & banning people who disagreed w/ him

Even in nature...lions pack are a great example of politics....wolves...hmmmm...I guess I believe in giving the little guy, the outcast, the weakling a chance, wondering how others felt

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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2005-11-10 01:16 pm (UTC)
this is me -
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From: akurei_kami
2005-11-11 04:42 am (UTC)
There is nothing government has to offer that I need or want. Politics is a game, a game of governing people. A game that is below me. Besides, there is a better way to govern people than with politics. TTC is a perfect example of that.
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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2005-11-13 05:17 am (UTC)
TTC is full of politics - how to lead, govern

Lao Tzu worked for the Emporer
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From: akurei_kami
2005-11-13 03:07 pm (UTC)
I don't see it that way, when the TTC is translated in terms of politics and governing people I consider the translation as incorrect. The TTC is a guide to help the individual understand where they are, a guide to show that the governing of self is moving in the right direction. The governing of people by way of politics is not harmonious with the Tao.

Lao Tzu (like Sun Tza) I believe did not work for the Emperor, but used him to carry out his way.

So few people understand that politics and a democratic system is nothing more than a subtle form of mind control. The democratic system has a base in opposition, it suffers from dualism. Dualism is the source of all opposition and where there is opposition there is disharmony.
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[User Picture]From: trevoke
2005-11-09 10:03 pm (UTC)
Harmony is not necessarily the path of least movement; it's the path of the Tao. Move with the Tao, and you will move in harmony.

.. It sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?... :(
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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2005-11-10 01:26 pm (UTC)
heh.

I do agree with you...

I guess I wasn't asking/thinking about "least movement" more "contrary movement"

...but yes...I'm think of the image of a rough stream w/ rocks & eddies + another of that damed up & interfered with.

lol it does sound like bs..but it makes life lots more fun!
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[User Picture]From: trevoke
2005-11-10 02:52 pm (UTC)
Right. I would guess that the trick is to realize that maybe the uprising is part of the Tao; and maybe it isn't. Which is it? It is for you to see.
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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2005-11-13 05:19 am (UTC)
yeah, what I found was that disention led to unity
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[User Picture]From: trevoke
2005-11-13 07:38 pm (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: m_banu
2006-02-22 03:44 am (UTC)
The Daoist philosophy of government enfuriates activists because nothing ever gets done. However, it has a wisdom in the fact that whenever something is obviously done, one group of people gets happy ("yay! the government is catering to my interests!") and another group gets angry ("impeach!! impeach!!"), as opposed to everyone simply grumbling ("sheesh, nothing ever gets DONE around here...").
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[User Picture]From: immoralusername
2006-02-22 04:03 am (UTC)
so what is the The Daoist philosophy of government ?

The TTC certainily isn't apolitical or apathetic.
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[User Picture]From: m_banu
2006-02-23 01:06 am (UTC)
Ruling a kingdom is like cooking a small fish. ;)

If you've ever cooked a small fish, you've probably noticed that if you move it around too much the whole thing falls apart. But if you leave it alone until one side is done, flip it once, then leave it alone until you slide it out of the frying pan and onto the plate, it comes out perfectly. :)
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