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[Feb. 20th, 2006|03:22 pm]


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"The Tao begot one.
One begot two.
Two begot three.
And three begot the ten thousand things.
The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang."

what i've come to understand from this is that space and time is subject to the tao.
if reincarnation is true, and that our minds do not disperse back to the tao and stays intact, does this mean that when i die, i will not only be able to be born into any life anywhere on earth (or the universe), but at any time between all life begins and ends?

[User Picture]From: trevoke
2006-02-20 10:13 pm (UTC)
"be able to be born ..." ? How pretentious ;-)
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-20 10:36 pm (UTC)
haha. well naturally, there can be alternatives =P
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[User Picture]From: trevoke
2006-02-20 10:38 pm (UTC)
You have an interesting idea. I never thought about it that way.
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-20 11:11 pm (UTC)
glad i can stimulate your interesting ^_^
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-20 11:12 pm (UTC)
er, interest*
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From: spaaace_monkey
2006-02-21 10:41 pm (UTC)


Heheh... Uh, I think it means that you're spending an awful lot of time in speculation.

Let's look at this for a second. If we have so little evidence for or against reincarnation, how can we draw any reasonable conclusion about it? Anything anyone tells you is just an opinion, leaving you to accept the most reassuring one that you find. That's not going to do you much good... If anything, it might distract you when you finally get a genuine hint about what you're seeking.

Personally, I can only see so much of who we are actually hanging on after death... If the earth reclaims the physical form, why would the spirit linger? That seems like excess to me, and that really goes against nature.

Perception, interaction--they've all been lost, and whatever your spirit is made of would clearly be more useful for some other pursuit, just like the carbon that used to glue you together. The frame of reference for 'you' would be gone, even though parts of 'you' may still be recycled into the machine. If that's good enough to satisfy your definition of reincarnation, then I guess that leaves the question still open... but to me, I can't see how an individual can continue to exist without a context.

If you manage to get to the other side and send me a postcard dated from 1933... then I might yield on this one. ;)

But as it stands right now, I'd recommend playing more video games and not wagering so much on the time travel theory.
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-21 11:54 pm (UTC)

Re: Ummm...

ouch.. well, i'm not trying to draw conclusion, just stimulating ideas.

i completely understand that all memory that i have, anything that makes me me, etc etc, is gone when i die, as this is all relative to the brain.

reincarnation to me is just a reposition of the mind into an embodiment of a newborn. as a newborn, we are on a blank slate.
all of this is relative to space and time.
and as i said, the tao, what binds us all together, is beneath space and time, kind of like as its base.

obviously, you recognize this, and think that i don't.

but let's say that we are a segment of tao, or a part of this infinity. as we lay in this body, we are in a part of space and time. when we die, we shed this body (including the brain with its memories and yada yada) and go back into tao. from there, we can go anywhere.

upon further speculation, lets say that being a part of this infinity, we may even be the infinity.. like 'all is one, one is all' kind of thing. this means that all space and time is connected through tao, and we are indeed omnipotent that cannot be conceived through our 6 senses (to me, the sixth sense is thought, but can be achieved through awareness!).

omnipotency is only for a god? well, to me, god and humans are the same thing. to the yin and yang, there is god and humans. the point of the yin and yang is to achieve harmony. upon space and time, yin and yang is separated. but beneath it, there is unquestioned harmony.. meaning we are as much of god as we are human.

so its either omnipotency, are we can be born into anywhere in space and time after death.

if we are just a segment of tao, and not its entirety, then what are we?
if we are shed of all traces of who we think we are, are we not ourselves?
or is this segment of tao scultped by the way we live? and perhaps even trying to sculpt this segment of tao by the way we live in an infinite number of lifetimes to achieve complete harmony? (happiness in one lifetime, sadness in another.. even though that's pretty basic and not applicable)
of course, as you said, there is little to no evidence of reincarnation, and everything i'm saying is mere speculation.

but please, don't dismiss my rambling, and accuse of not knowing what i'm talking about. i have an idea, and i simply wish to express it ^_^
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-21 11:55 pm (UTC)


so its either omnipotency, OR* we can be born into anywhere in space and time after death.
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[User Picture]From: dirtydarthdrama
2006-02-21 11:55 pm (UTC)
Nothing really to say about reincarnation. It's interesting I suppose, but not particularly important to me. I have this life, and I have the dao. What happens after this life will happen whether I'm right or wrong about it, so I will concern myself with this life.
However, I do have much to say about Earthbound. What a fantastic game!
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[User Picture]From: phetuspolice
2006-02-22 12:42 am (UTC)
yes, it is!
mother 3 (earthbound 2) is coming out on april 20th for GBA. however, whether or not its being translated is still in question.
http://starmen.net/ check them out for more details.

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[User Picture]From: mbala
2008-10-11 04:18 am (UTC)

I'm amazed!

I think Tao is like a logical theory that contains contradictions. If there is a contradiction in your theory (e.g. you can prove that true=false), you can prove absolutely any statement to be true. Therefore, the contradictory theory can be understood as a mother of all theories (each theory has SOME true statements, but EVERYTHING is true in a contradictory one). At the same time, a contradictory theory is perfectly useless and impractical.

So, to get back to your question - if I am right, then from Tao's point of view everything you said about reincarnation is true, but it is also true there is no reincarnation, it is true that there is no you, no death, you are also already dead, and it all does not matter. Just be fluid. And to realize this is the true wisdom, which is at the same time a sign of being an idiot.

I would really like to know where am I mistaken, any way I look at Tao that's what it boils down to.
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